We've been watching this thread with some interest - and much amusement.

How come just about everybody in Eve seems to make more isk per hour than I do?

One would think that occasionally, by accident, I would make some of the extraordinary sums of isk per hour other folk seem to make.

Oh well, I guess someone has to be at the bottom of the food chain.

nullsec is clearly the best

sign up to make isk in nullsec, contact me if you want to rent space with PBLRD. We have systems availabe, and Delve just opened up, so there's grab grab grab going on.

Some people don't like to fight for their space. If they still want to live in null, they rent. I'm pretty sure there would be no renters if there was no incentive for them. If prices are too high, they can go somewhere else...

It obviously works for a lot of people, because they continue to rent, and quite happily.

Like with anything else in eve, if you can't cut it, go play hello kitty island adventure

and no contest from your blues for content in your system.

You being a solo player and enjoying that playstyle has absolutely nothing to do with people who want to work together in a group and have a place to call their own.

What do you have against a free market? Are you personally supplying every part of eve with outfits at jita prices? Is anyone?

Nice, ignore every point I make, and pick out the ludicrous bits I added to show you what an idiot you are.

LOL, living out of secure cans.

Man what a hearty chuckle.

Thank you, haven't considered that since I was new and space-poor.

What world do you live in?

The giant swaths of NPC null that don't have a single hostile living there, right?

Delusional.

Confirming NPC Null Is Totally Empty And Safe And You Should Totally Believe Everything Pinky Says,.

*pssst in case you didn't notice I'm being facetious when I capitalize every word

I removed your Ad Hominem attacks, and left your hypocrisy.

Aren't you basing out of NPC null?

Kinda ******* relevant that it's "some of the most active pvp regions of null".

Don't ya think?

Now, we are all just humans. Humans exaggerate. Fact is: Nullsec income is and should always be a lot higher than high-sec income of a comparable profession.

I did a lot of L4s in the beginning. After joining null, my income rose to new heights. As a belt ratter you were in the lowest class of income, and with 2 good hours ratting a day I could still easily catch my 1 or 1,5B a month, buying the PLEX from the loot sales and keeping everything else for fun.

Exploration and good DED sites double or even triple that income, in half the time playing. A good nullsec explorer who plays casually (1 hour a day average) does make his 3 billion or more a month if he knows what he is doing, so is someone adept at running 7/10 or similar sites. Add additional playtime or alts to that, and that figure rises yet again.

Of course there are only a limited number of sites, but currently most of nullsec is empty enough that anyone can do as much as he wants as long as he wants (or as long as he lives).

Then of course come high-end and highly investement/skill/intuition based professions, mostly involving the use of POSes, as well as null/high traders. However, income here is too variable and dependant solely on the player.

In shadowbane what typically happened was everyone would team up to take out the only people who wanted to actually pvp, then they would form some huge alliance and go back to carebearing farming for loot and ****, eventually people got bored and quit.

Large alliances are the nail in the coffin for pvp, and keeping the game interesting, conflict is why this game is fun, other people rather farm isk and build unlimited titans, and unlimited capital ships, then act like vaginas when it comes to pvp, hence blob wars that crash the server.

I think the original dev team who designed the titan doomsday intended for it to solve the lag problem, by removing all the ships with its aoe kill all overpowered ****. Now you got the lag, and no way to stop it.

So what can we do to solve that problem? Obviously you have to limited the amount of ships allowed into a node, and make it so that each side has even numbers, then you take the sandbox and throw it right out the window.

What Ziona isnt telling you is that the isk gets split between multiple chars, requires some time to hunt down and cannot support very many people in an entire region let alone a single system.

Piths penal has spawned in my system (with entrapment array running) 4 times a month. Guristas reinvig spawns twice per month. Gurista military operations complex spawns 3 times a month, and the maze once per month. Thats the current rate that the entire stationary and moving populations turn them over, and they are probably the fastest turned over of all null ded sigs.

We already have many people rushing to any avalible sight, and we still can't satiate damand, because the spawn mechanics only spawn a few in the entire region at any one time.

I like how you're ignoring the posts which explain why you're wrong, and continue pushing the strawman that we deny you got your loot in null.

Just because it says "Goonswarm Federation" doesn't mean we can rat there. We have systems in other CFC regions for purposes of staging and logistics. For example, B-D in Cloud Ring. Except the only alliance that's allowed to rat in Cloud Ring is EXE.

That's one solution. Pretty **** move though. Other solutions would be to find quiet systems in our own space to rat anoms (decent isk, but not the billions and billions easy like IZ keeps telling us about), or make an NPC alt character to do L4s in highsec (in other words, barely requiring any attention spent).

EDIT: Or, we also could run sites in hostile space. Which is what I've been doing. Ghost sites are easy and quick. The only problem is they're also rare.

Except they're not unreasonable. They partition space between us based (loosely) on who has sov, where, and the relative sizes of our alliances so that we're given sufficient space to rat without stepping on each-other's toes or having to travel too far.

"I don't actually read posts, instead I make up whatever I think might be in them and form responses accordingly."

those stupid nullseccers don't realise that when one alliance's space is not enough to sustain their members, they should open up their space to blues so that five alliances' space won't be enough to sustain five alliances' members, which is a far better system

or perhaps the coalitions don't hold enough space yet

This might be news to you, but we're deployed.
Nobody's doing much ratting right now (if they are, their corps probably aren't too happy with them).

Like, Ziona has apparently been playing the game for 10 years but still can't grasp supply and demand. There's either a willful ignorance underpinning the argument, or they're the kind of person who lacks all inherent mathematical skill, and sits in a casino and says "but no see it will pay out soon theres a pattern"

That "vague reference" would be to previous posts where it was discussed in significantly greater detail.
Not our fault you "missed" them.

"Hey guys I found an Estamel rat which dropped a modified invuln field that I sold for 18b on market. It took me 10 minutes to kill the rat.
Clearly this means you can make over 100b/hour easy. You guys aren't even trying."

The third is you don't go to nullsec, look up possible drops on the EvE wiki and then tell everyone you find these every time.

There's a lot of this completely pointless third option and we're here trying to work out why.

There you go with the strawman arguments again.

He's saying it would if you found them in every single can.

When it comes to anoms you will make more in high sec.

Sigs offer the chance of a good payday but most of the time you land something from tags to an 80 mil mod, the billion+ payouts are rare.

It is also impossible to support more than 100-150 people per region on them.

The price of everything doubled in the span of six months after incursions were added. CCP even stated that they were going to nerf level 4s if the high inflation didn't stop after the incursion nerf and anoms saw two nerfs.

The comments Baltec1 refers to are literally in the patch notes and related dev blogs from when the change was put in. All these are available to view.

It's kinda silly to just sit there and yell black is blue.

yes, so everyone who lives in null can just take their own R16 or better moon (or 6 like you) and have isk on tap.